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[Draft] War Declarations Repeal Act - Cormac - 03-14-2014 Quote:War Declarations Repeal Act I think this is fairly straightforward. We have two war declarations on the books that aren't being executed in any meaningful way, largely because they can't be executed against foundered regions: a declaration of war against GGR that gives it unnecessary attention and status in our law when it can be effectively opposed without such attention and status, and a declaration of war against Gatesville Inc when most of the rest of NationStates, including Osiris, have now completely moved on. [Draft] War Declarations Repeal Act - Belschaft - 03-14-2014 It should also be noted that the war against the GGR has been largely fought to conclusion, with the region all but destroyed, and that GV is increasingly inactive to the point of being defunct. [Draft] War Declarations Repeal Act - Horse - 03-14-2014 I like it [Draft] War Declarations Repeal Act - Unibot - 03-14-2014 This is smart. Well-written. [Draft] War Declarations Repeal Act - Cormac - 03-15-2014 Quote:It should also be noted that the war against the GGR has been largely fought to conclusion, with the region all but destroyed, and that GV is increasingly inactive to the point of being defunct. I wasn't sure if you meant this should be noted in the legislation, or just noted in general, but I did add language related to this to the second Whereas clause anyway. [Draft] War Declarations Repeal Act - Sandaoguo - 03-16-2014 The Declaration of War on Gatesville did more than declare war. It put PNG status on Douria and Nevadar, and enacts diplomatic sanctions on those that support Nevadar and Gatesville. How would those things be impacted, here? [Draft] War Declarations Repeal Act - Cormac - 03-16-2014 Quote:The Declaration of War on Gatesville did more than declare war. It put PNG status on Douria and Nevadar, and enacts diplomatic sanctions on those that support Nevadar and Gatesville. How would those things be impacted, here? They would be repealed. The Vice Delegate can still deny citizenship to both of them, though. Regarding the diplomatic sanctions, I think it's wise to repeal those. Not everyone in NationStates is going to continue refusing to work with Gatesville, should they ever even become active again, because of something that happened in Osiris nine months ago that Osiris itself no longer cares about. And what constitutes this "support"? We have friends and allies that still have open diplomatic relations with Gatesville. Is that "support"? [Draft] War Declarations Repeal Act - Belschaft - 03-16-2014 Quote: They would be repealed. The Vice Delegate can still deny citizenship to both of them, though. Regarding the diplomatic sanctions, I think it's wise to repeal those. Not everyone in NationStates is going to continue refusing to work with Gatesville, should they ever even become active again, because of something that happened in Osiris nine months ago that Osiris itself no longer cares about. And what constitutes this "support"? We have friends and allies that still have open diplomatic relations with Gatesville. Is that "support"?  </div> </blockquote> It would be a relatively simple matter to place both groups on the Prohibited list. [Draft] War Declarations Repeal Act - Cormac - 03-17-2014 I was about to motion to vote, but I would like to hear from the Delegate, more of the Cabinet, and some other Assembly members before doing so. This is a fairly significant issue and while I think it's in the region's best interests to repeal these war declarations, I would rather not move forward with it without broad consensus. War isn't really something the region should be divided on. [Draft] War Declarations Repeal Act - Sandaoguo - 03-17-2014 The majority of the Cabinet supports this repeal. (4 out of 6 voiced support; 2 have not yet commented). However, a couple of us still believe that PNG status for Nevadar is a necessity. [Draft] War Declarations Repeal Act - Belschaft - 03-17-2014 Quote:The majority of the Cabinet supports this repeal. (4 out of 6 voiced support; 2 have not yet commented). However, a couple of us still believe that PNG status for Nevadar is a necessity.It would be simple for the Cabinet to request Article 9 designation for Gatesville. [Draft] War Declarations Repeal Act - Cormac - 03-18-2014 In that case I would like to hold off on voting on this until the vote on Article 9 concludes. That way we can be sure that if we repeal these war declarations, we can immediately move to designating Gatesville a Prohibited Group.  Edit: Actually, once Article 9 passes we could do that in this repeal resolution, could we not? [Draft] War Declarations Repeal Act - Belschaft - 03-18-2014 Hmm... Theoretically, yes. Depends if the CoA allows it . [Draft] War Declarations Repeal Act - Punk D - 03-18-2014 Efficiency...I like it.  I think if we are not actively looking to send troops to GGR or Gatesville it makes sense to repeal the war declaration.  Article 9 would seem to suit our overall attitude towards the now seriously isolated Gatesville. [Draft] War Declarations Repeal Act - Rebel-topia - 03-18-2014 Quote:In that case I would like to hold off on voting on this until the vote on Article 9 concludes. That way we can be sure that if we repeal these war declarations, we can immediately move to designating Gatesville a Prohibited Group. Since Gatesville is already a PG, then I see no issue with adding a clause stating that they will stay a PG after the repeal. [Draft] War Declarations Repeal Act - Southern Bellz - 03-18-2014 I am still talking to the cabinet about this. I humbly request the assembly to take it's time bringing this to vote. Thanks. Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk [Draft] War Declarations Repeal Act - Cormac - 03-19-2014 Not a problem. As said earlier, I would like to at least wait until Article 9 passes.  I've also added a clause that would designate GGR and Gatesville as Prohibited Groups, though if I'm reading Article 9 correctly we will need either the Cabinet or CSS (or both) to request such a designation once Article 9 passes. [Draft] War Declarations Repeal Act - Geomania - 03-20-2014 This ties up loose ends. I'm fine with it. |