Article 5: Treason

[Todd McCloud]

This is the current Article for power of expulsion, taken verbatim from the <a class='bbc_url' href='http://z1.invisionfree.com/forums/theSPacific/index.php?showtopic=8043'>Charter</a>:

<strong class='bbc'><em class='bbc'>Article 5 - Treason</em></strong>



1. Treason against The South Pacific shall consist only in levying war against them, in adhering to their enemies, conducting any violation of allegiance toward The South Pacific, especially the betrayal of the region through the waging of war, and/or consciously and purposely giving them aid and comfort to such enemies, foreign or domestic, in violation of <strong class='bbc'>Chapter I, Article 2</strong>, of the Charter.



2. Such an offence committed by any Citizen-Nation of The South Pacific, or one or more Subdivisions of such Citizen-Nation, shall result, upon conviction in a trial in accordance with <strong class='bbc'>Chapter IV</strong> of the Charter, in the immediate banishment of that Citizen-Nation, and all their Subdivisions from <a class='bbc_url' href='http://z1.invisionfree.com/forums/theSPacific/index.php'>The South Pacific offsite forums</a>, as well as ejection from <a class='bbc_url' href='http://www.nationstates.net/04350/page=display_region'>The South Pacific region</a>, into the Rejected Realms.



3. By "Subdivision," this is referring to political subdivisions of The South Pacific nations, such as states, provinces, or even colonies.



4. This provision shall be enforced by The South Pacific Assembly through appropriate legislation, as needed.

Please state your opinion on this article, including any revisions you would like to see. You may also argue over the necessity of said article and any other directions this article should take.



Discussion for this article will end on <strong class='bbc'>Wednesday, October 20th</strong>, or on a later date if the Minister of Region determines the debate to require more time.

[Guest]

I have never been a fan of this part. I don't think we need it at all, or if we do, we should define treason as something like behaving purposefully against the charter, although I think that might be covered in the earlier articles (it's late and I'm too lazy to go through entire charter and see if I can find anything )

[Todd McCloud]

What about this?

<strong class='bbc'><em class='bbc'>Article 5 - Treason</em></strong>



1. Treason against The South Pacific shall <del>consist only in levying war against them, in adhering to their enemies, conducting any violation of allegiance toward The South Pacific, especially the betrayal of the region through the waging of war, and/or consciously and purposely giving them aid and comfort to such enemies, foreign or domestic, in</del> be defined as any violation of <strong class='bbc'>Chapter I, Article 2</strong> <del>of the Charter</del>.



2. Such an offence committed by any Citizen-Nation of The South Pacific, <del>or one or more Subdivisions of such Citizen-Nation,</del> shall result, upon conviction in a trial in accordance with <strong class='bbc'>Chapter IV</strong> of the Charter, in the immediate banishment of that Citizen-Nation<del>, and all their Subdivisions from <a class='bbc_url' href='http://z1.invisionfree.com/forums/theSPacific/index.php'>The South Pacific offsite forums</a>, as well as ejection from <a class='bbc_url' href='http://www.nationstates.net/04350/page=display_region'>The South Pacific region</a>, into the Rejected Realms.</del> from The South Pacific off-site forums and region.



3. <del>By "Subdivision," this is referring to political subdivisions of The South Pacific nations, such as states, provinces, or even colonies.</del>



4. This provision shall be enforced by The South Pacific Assembly through appropriate legislation, as needed.

Really, most of the stuff in point one is a recount of Article 2. I also didn?t really get the subdivision stuff, so I omitted it.

<strong class='bbc'>Article 5 - Treason</strong>[*:n49hj6j1] Treason against The South Pacific shall be defined as any violation of <strong class='bbc'>Article 2.3</strong>.







[*:n49hj6j1] Such an offence committed by any citizen nation of The South Pacific shall result, upon conviction in a trial in accordance with <strong class='bbc'>Article 7</strong> of the Charter, in the immediate banishment of that citizen nation from The South Pacific off-site forums and region.







[*:n49hj6j1] This provision shall be enforced by The South Pacific Assembly through appropriate legislation, as needed.

[kloister]

Given well documented history, I would not like to see it lost all together...Granted it will not be very often that it is dusted down and used in anger, however it has it's value and credit for the re-write...Looks good to me...

[Guest]

Hm, I like your rewrite, but that's already covered under art. 3 I think. I still say we scrap this article in its entirety. K, This was introduced by "someone" during the last Grand Assembly, and I don't think we ever used this since. We considered using it once, but also then we ejected under violation of Art. 2 (duties of citizenship) and not for treason, as with all others(But I might be biased and more inclined to strike or revise texts not written by me :whistle: )

[Todd McCloud]

Hmmm... I'll add a 'remove' option to the voting options now XD. I feel it's necessary just because it outlines the process well - it points to it, so there's no gray area. It's all black and white pretty much, lol.