Treaty Between TNI and TSP

[Unibot]

The fact that your arguments here are so anchored purely in an emotion should be evidence that you should be taking a step back and looking at them. There's obviously a conflict of interest here; you're a defender, and you don't want to see a region you're involved with make ANY concessions whatsoever to an invader region simply because you believe the region in question to be totally evil. You're more concerned with how your "Belgian friends," who have <em class='bbc'>nothing</em> to do with TSP and its security, will react to this, than you are with how this could benefit the region of TSP.

Well not exactly, I'd rather not get involved with a group that griefs, since that's a huge stain on our reputation. Out of groups today that grief, TNI is one of the top on that bill. I was worried about LWU but that really hasn't been a problem since LWU hasn't done jackshit as an organization since about the same time as they signed the treaty.

I'm sure that, if TNI tried to push its ideals or an agenda on TSP, the TSPers would notice fairly quickly, terminate relations with TNI, and eventually freeze TNI out of the region.

I don't think so, not from the trends I've seen with other regions. Especially if they get involved with the Regional Assembly, we don't then have the ability to remove them from the assembly without a vote... you can see the problems there. The Pacific doesn't have to worry about these concerns of entryism for obvious reasons but a region like Balder did and frankly didn't take the necessary steps.

I wouldn't be quite so bothered by this if you weren't rallying people to come here and vote against this, these people mainly being from your organization, the UDL.

I'm contacting people on the South Pacific IRC channel.. Solm, Mahaj and Fisch. I've found the normal ruling body of citizens have been really stubborn in these regards, so I lobbied to other citizens. I don't really see the point of having a democracy if the people in this chamber want an oligarchy. It's frankly really annoying to be called an imperialist, terrorist, whatever the <strong class='bbc'>EDITED</strong> else I've been called by SB when I am just trying to do what I think is best for the region and I'm trying to get our memberbase to reconsider this treaty.

This is serious. If you're going to take advantage of and thus abuse TSP's democratic system by bringing a goon squad here, you are worse than the people you are trying to freeze out of TSP's affairs. Back off, Uni. You, for the most part, had earned my trust in the UDL to be fair in these regions, but you're quickly dissolving it.

I don't want TSP, which is my region just as much as it is SB's and yours and Mahaj's and Solm's and Fisch's and Elu's and everyone else in this <strong class='bbc'>EDITED</strong> debate, I don't want TSP getting involved with an international aggressor that will not hesitate to screw us over when they deem it politically advantageous. This is not an abuse of the democratic system, this is the use of the democratic system. SB is free to contact citizens to try to lobby them with her propaganda, there's whole list of them on the forums. There's like 70+ citizens not voting at the moment. The vote was tied and the people who were holding their positions were stubbornly holding it.. so I started lobbying.

I think this is a little of stretch as well Uni. All people against UDL and LWU have not been a threat to our security.

No, that was me mocking SB's logic against my arguments.

Furthermore TSP has no diplomatic ties whatsoever to the regions of Catholic and Belgium so I really don't care what they think of TSP being allied with TNI it has no bearing on our foreign policy. We don't even have embassies with them on forum or in game so lets not bring them up in an argument about it being bad for TSP because of the way they will look at us.

Right.. so the opinion of The South Pacific beyond our embassies mean nothing? The greater opinion of NationStates means nothing?



The greater opinion of NationStates saved Southern Bellz from being condemned and thereby legitimized our cause against Dev to the greater public -- when we all fought long to lobby that decision, the greater opinion of NationStates meant a whole <strong class='bbc'>EDITED</strong> lot. But when it's about a treaty that more or may not help us, we slink back into our chairs.



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