09-05-2013, 07:36 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-05-2013, 09:58 PM by Southern Bellz.)
nvm
Can the delegate explain?
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09-05-2013, 07:36 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-05-2013, 09:58 PM by Southern Bellz.)
nvm
09-05-2013, 08:32 PM
Have you actually seen his campaign platform? Â It is a joke campaign.
09-05-2013, 09:57 PM
LOL I feel like an idiot, sorry bels
09-06-2013, 12:36 AM
Hmm...? I assume this was to do with my campaign for the speakership in TNP on a Regressive/Imperial Platform? Which is totally serious
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[center]Rex Imperator Princeps Tribunicia Potestas Pater Patriae Dominus Noster Invictus Perpetuus[/center]
[center]Member of The Committee for State Security[/center] [center]Forum Administrator[/center] [center] ![]() [center]Ex-Delegate (x2)[/center] [center]Ex-Minister of Security (x2)[/center] [center]Ex-Chair of The Assembly (x3)[/center] [center]Ex-Minister of Foreign Affairs (x2)[/center]
09-06-2013, 12:57 AM
ya i was looking at stuff on my phone and just saw you were running and reacted too soon
 my apologizesÂ
09-06-2013, 02:42 PM
I'm running for AG as well now
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[center]Rex Imperator Princeps Tribunicia Potestas Pater Patriae Dominus Noster Invictus Perpetuus[/center]
[center]Member of The Committee for State Security[/center] [center]Forum Administrator[/center] [center] ![]() [center]Ex-Delegate (x2)[/center] [center]Ex-Minister of Security (x2)[/center] [center]Ex-Chair of The Assembly (x3)[/center] [center]Ex-Minister of Foreign Affairs (x2)[/center]
09-06-2013, 05:49 PM
What's ag?
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09-06-2013, 06:12 PM
I will make a guess (and hope it's right)...Attorney General?
Kris Kringle
Vice Delegate of the South Pacific - Forum Administrator Deputy Minister of Communications and Integration (former) - Minister of Foreign Affairs (former)  Kringle's What? Moment: [01:32] Then let's have breakfasts at night between the Delegate and Vice Delegate
09-06-2013, 07:33 PM
Actually, it's Agriculture Secretary, but we just usually call it Ag.
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09-07-2013, 03:21 PM
Attorney General, yes. I'm actually really running for that one, and will have a serious platform up in TNP later today.
[center]Rex Imperator Princeps Tribunicia Potestas Pater Patriae Dominus Noster Invictus Perpetuus[/center]
[center]Member of The Committee for State Security[/center] [center]Forum Administrator[/center] [center] ![]() [center]Ex-Delegate (x2)[/center] [center]Ex-Minister of Security (x2)[/center] [center]Ex-Chair of The Assembly (x3)[/center] [center]Ex-Minister of Foreign Affairs (x2)[/center]
09-07-2013, 03:23 PM
Quote:Attorney General, yes. I'm actually really running for that one, and will have a serious platform up in TNP later today. I hope that's not true. ![]() tsp minister of foreign affairs
09-08-2013, 05:36 PM
Quote:ÂÂ I hope that's not true. Â </div> </blockquote> Why? I see no conflict of interest in serving in one regions executive government and another regions judicial branch, and have done such before.
[center]Rex Imperator Princeps Tribunicia Potestas Pater Patriae Dominus Noster Invictus Perpetuus[/center]
[center]Member of The Committee for State Security[/center] [center]Forum Administrator[/center] [center] ![]() [center]Ex-Delegate (x2)[/center] [center]Ex-Minister of Security (x2)[/center] [center]Ex-Chair of The Assembly (x3)[/center] [center]Ex-Minister of Foreign Affairs (x2)[/center] Quote:Why? I see no conflict of interest in serving in one regions executive government and another regions judicial branch, and have done such before. You're the head of state and the highest ranking member of the Cabinet. You shouldn't be entangling yourself in other regions, especially considering the incredibly large reform agenda you campaigned on -- the central message of which is bringing in new people in GCR government. This is everything that is wrong with GCR governance. If you want to be Delegate here, then be Delegate here. If you want to be AG in TNP, then go be AG in TNP. Let these regions govern themselves and stop creating all of these unhealthy, undemocratic, and frankly elitist government cross-connections. ![]() tsp minister of foreign affairs
09-09-2013, 12:38 PM
I agree. TSP should be your full time NS job.
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09-09-2013, 01:50 PM
I disagree that one cannot and should not hold positions in multiple arenas says the Guardian of TWP, an Admin of TNP (also running for AG), and member of TSPââ¬â¢s Assembly. :p
 I have zero philosophical problems with Bels being an AG in one region and delegate in another provided he has enough time to do both functions. But, Iââ¬â¢m fairly cosmopolitan on Unibotââ¬â¢s old scale.  The AG role in TNP has been abandoned by the last two officeholders, but thereââ¬â¢s not a huge backlog. I think it presents zero philosophical conflicts with TSP because the role is really to be an attorney for TNP criminal cases. Knowing what goes into the role and the research, I donââ¬â¢t know if Bels (or anyone) would be able to do both extremely effectively. The AG post, in my 9 years in the game, was the most time consuming role Iââ¬â¢ve had to do ex being a delegate.Â
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09-09-2013, 02:10 PM
I can see how there might be less to worry about if Punk Daddy in involved in multiple reasons, because he's just a citizen here. I don't think you're using "cosmopolitan" correctly (see my post in Gameplay about that), but there's not much concrete danger if you're just a citizen and you're not engaging in policy-making here. But it's different for people to hold high-level positions in multiple GCRs at once. There are not only serious "philosophical" problems with it, but there are tangible security implications for the whole community.
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09-09-2013, 09:16 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-09-2013, 09:19 PM by Southern Bellz.)
As Sand mentioned, its not about the average person having multiple positions in multiple regions, but the delegate not making TSP his sole focus. Â Simply put, the free nations of TSP deserve more than that.
 Bels shouldn't hold multiple roles in multiple region.  The delegate is our most important position in government, and I really feel that you shouldn't have any other non-ceremonial roles outside of this region that would split your attention.  It is a complete disservice to the region that sends a horrible message to the rest of government.  What am I supposed to say as a member of the cabinet when my delegate doesn't even have TSP has his only focus in NS?  If we want to encourage people to make TSP their primary focus in NS, how can we make the argument when our delegate is seeking side-shows in other regions to fill his time.  The tone needs to be set at the top.  Running for and being elected delegate is a commitment, and I hope Bels does not take this commitment lightly and take on major roles in other regions.  This is especially troubling to me when Bels said he was winding down international involvement in region's outside of TSP in his campaign.
09-10-2013, 06:49 PM
Nobody bitched when Hile was delegate (nothing against you, Hile). I don't see a problem, unless he slips with his delegate duties. If he thinks he can handle both, then let him try. If he starts slipping, then, by all means, jump down his throat.
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09-10-2013, 11:38 PM
Quote:Nobody bitched when Hile was delegate (nothing against you, Hile). I don't see a problem, unless he slips with his delegate duties. If he thinks he can handle both, then let him try. If he starts slipping, then, by all means, jump down his throat. I was unaware of Hile's involvement in other regions, and if it was ever brought up, I certainly would have said something. Past action doesn't make this case appropriate. If it comes to it, I will think about drafting a conflict of interest law. Leave aside whether or not the delegate should be holding positions in other regions, it's simply strange that TSP doesn't even require officials to fill out purely informational COI forms. ![]() tsp minister of foreign affairs
09-11-2013, 02:34 PM
Hile was delegate here and Chief Justice in TNP, iirc.
TSP's Prodigal Son.
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09-11-2013, 05:33 PM
Quote:Hile was delegate here and Chief Justice in TNP, iirc. And performed admirably with no hint of a conflict.
09-11-2013, 08:10 PM
Quote:And performed admirably with no hint of a conflict. I'm sure Hile was a fantastic Chief Justice, but that's not the point. Ability and appropriateness are not interchangeable. Just because a Delegate can have positions in multiple regions at the same time does not mean they should. ![]() tsp minister of foreign affairs
09-12-2013, 03:03 AM
If one can do jobs in multiple regions, then let them. If they falter, recall them, and remember that when they run in the next election.
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09-13-2013, 01:12 AM
Why shouldn't the delegate focus on TSP with all if their NS time. Leading isn't a job where you just put in some time to do essential tasks. There is always something to be done.
If you don't want to focus on TSP, you shouldn't run for delegate. If you want to step up involvement in other regions, don't campaign on stepping down in other regions. Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 4 |
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