Live reporting: Carta coups TSP

[Awesomiasa]

5:09PM
 
Contradictory to a previous report, Fudgetopia is apathetic about the situation. We apologize for the error.
 

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<fudgie>: [/font]Put it this way. Like I keep saying. I have enough influence in this region that regardless of who remains or retains the delegacy, they need me onside. Because I am pretty much unbootable.
 

[Antariel]

5.20pm Milo's influence falls to 72. The end is in sight.

[Sheepa]

5:09PM
 
Contradictory to a previous report, Fudgetopia is apathetic about the situation. We apologize for the error.

 
It does seem to be a comment of one somewhat sitting on the fence in regards to the situation. Unfortunately I don't know Fudgie's official stance on the situation, so I can only speculate based on the little observational evidence I've seen.

[Loh]

Fudgie said she didn't wanted to take sides. She said this a few times already.

[Sheepa]

Fudgie said she didn't wanted to take sides. She said this a few times already.

 
Maybe I'd feel the same if I was in her position, who knows. Afterall, her position might be at risk if she pledged support for the losing side. Sensible decision, but shows a dissapointing lack of moral conviction.

[Tim]

10:36AM
 
Osiris shows support for Milograd

You do realize that 'Legitimate Government' means the Forum Government and Cabinet-In-Exile.... right? O_o

[God-Emperor]

Sorry.  He's new.

[Rebel-topia]

5.20pm Milo's influence falls to 72. The end is in sight.

 
If you ask around, this isn't going to be a "short" coup... nobody really wants to do anything about it... just my oppinion

[Iro]

YES! As of now, Brutland and Norden's endorsement level is 3 ABOVE Milograd! Hold down the fort!

[God-Emperor]

Yes, but he's gonna eject more before the major.  He was five above before last nights major, and there don't seem to be many updaters supportin' this effort anymore.

[karatengisa]

[color=#ff0000;]-Update on the situation in TSP-[/color]
Another day and the fight continues against juche tyrant Milograd/Carta.
Many nations loyal to the legitimate government fight the oppression of the tyrant are being band and ejected from TSP, but many continue to return and oppose the coup, this gives hope for the nations in exile.

[Awesomiasa]

I thank you all for your willingness to contribute to the livestream of the incident. However, can I make a simple request that you refrain from including extraneous comments? (ie: personal opinions etc). Thanks.

[Awesomiasa]

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Statement Regarding The South Pacific
Regarding the present situation in The South Pacific, The Pacific would like to express our belief that interference by us in favour of either the Coalition of The South Pacific or the Milograd-controlled Delegacy is not in the best interests of The South Pacific. We express our support for the residents to decide for themselves which system of governance is the appropriate one for them, and do not believe it appropriate to lend our weight to one side or another as The South Pacific resolves this internal conflict.



This conflict has found its way to our shores, regardless. A nation claiming to represent the Coalition government was spotted in The Pacific earlier today, asking our WAs to abandon our Delegate and depart for The South Pacific to oppose Milograd. This stunt is unacceptable. Even if The Pacific felt obligated or justified in deploying in support of one side or the other, we must always look to our own shores to protect our citizens, and ensure that this conflict does not spread. It is hoped that the Coalition government will investigate this serious issue, though it has thus far assured the Senate of The Pacific that no nation was ordered to take such action.



We are hopeful for a speedy and swift resolution to the situation in The South Pacific.



Signed,



Krulltopia, Leader of The Pacific

[Awesomiasa]

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Announcement from The Commonwealth of Crowns

 

The Regional Executive Council of the CoC has watched with trepidition the ghastly turn of events in The South Pacific, wherein the trust imposed on a delegate has been grossly betrayed and hundreds of natives exiled towards fulfilment of a  dictatorial whim. The Delegate in question, Milograd has sought to destroy the well entrenched rule of law and upturn the democratic traditions of the South Pacific and wishes to turn it into a tin pot Banana republic.

 

The demolition of scores of embassies with regions without any notice also smack of scant regard to established International norms on inter-regional diplomatic efforts . We condemn the dissolution of embassies, which have been established after huge efforts by dedicated members, by the rouge delegate.

 

We stand in solidarity with the denizens of The South Pacific and will provide steadfast support to the re-establishment of democratic traditions of the region.

 

As we speak here, a small CoC force has penetrated the shores of Milograd's citadel and offered WA support to the nominee of the Govt-in-exile of the Coalition of South Pacific.

 

We have immense hope that the combined allied  effort will be able to restore normalcy in TSP .

 

Borduriaa

Chancellor,

The Commonwealth of Crowns

[Awesomiasa]

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 10000 Islands Statement of Support  In light of the actions taken by Milograd who as elected Delegate of The South Pacific has betrayed the trust and powers he was appointed with, removed the link to the regional Forums, received foreign assistance and purged hundreds of nations from their home region.10000 Islands offers support of the legitimate government both Military and diplomatic in order to assist with a resolution and recovery from this betrayal. It takes many to build a thriving community and only one to undermine trust and friendship. In some small way we hope to demonstrate that trust and friendship can withstand the blows taken today.  WordyTITO Field CommanderEmissary to The South Pacific

[Awesomiasa]

11:22AMAt the time of writing, votes for the recall motion are 26 AYE-2 NAY (92.9% AYE)The threshold for a recall motion to pass is 80%

[Awesomiasa]

11:24AM



BREAKING



The Ministry of Justice has started a trial against Milograd (<a class='bbc_url' href='http://forums.thesouthpacific.org/topic/4641-the-coalition-v-milograd/#entry96669'>The Coalition v. Milograd</a>), with Hilevile as prosecution. A jury will be appointed in the coming days.



Currently Milograd is charged for the following:<ul class="bbc">

[*]Treason

[*]Defamation (2nd Degree)

[*]Fraud (1st Degree)

[/list]We will follow up on the events and report as it unfolds.

[Rebel-topia]

As it stands, Milograd's influence is down to 43. It's dropping like a rock!!!!

[Awesomiasa]

3:05PM Shouts of joy are erupting as Milograd's influence wanes.

[Awesomiasa]

Regarding the Events in The South Pacific <img src='http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/rflags/the_south_pacific__807408.png' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /> An almost consistent feature of feeder conflicts is the confusion and speculation regarding the involvement of Gatesville in those affairs. The following message was sent by Gates the God to members of the Gatesville Guard yesterday and should clarify the region's stance on the matter. My fellow Gatesvillians, Last night at major update Milograd, the duly elected delegate of The South Pacific, took an unprecedented move in an effort to advance the cause of sovereignty in NationStates. At great personal sacrifice, and knowing with current game mechanics his efforts were doomed to eventual failure, Milograd took a stand.  Our older players may not be familiar with the concept of Influence. Gatesville was founded well before its inception and flourished. In essence, nations that remain longer in a region acquire more Influence, thus making them more difficult to eject and/or ban from a region. in order to eject a nation the regional delegate must have acquired more influence than the other nation in question and then 'use up' the required amount.  In its conception, it was a brilliant advance for sovereignty. In its implementation, it utterly failed and actually reduced the ability of regions to be truly sovereign in and of themselves. Older players became immune to any true punishment for not complying with their region's wishes as newer, younger players with fresh ideas attempted to make changes and bring their regions forward. This is not a valid concern in a region like Gatesville which has an active founder who maintains ultimate control, but for regions with no founder the results could be devastating. Like in The South Pacific. Inactivity reigned. An established oligarchy was in complete control with no real hope of newer, more active members to be able to establish themselves and make real changes if the oligarchy did not agree. For the feeder and sinker regions of NS, this is the norm. There has been much debate over several forms of media (the NS forums, regional forums, IRC, personal chat, etc) about possible solutions but without any real impetus to act. Which makes sense. Why should game mechanics be changed when there are other arguably more important aspects of NationStates to worry about? The new telegram system is amazing, but it does nothing to advance sovereignty in the game. We, as Gatesvillians, care about sovereignty. We care that nations and regions have the ability to govern themselves as they see fit. Whether that be standing by older, more experienced players or allowing newer ones to take a stand and roll with it, we think each region should have a choice about how to run itself, just as nations do. We were all new players once. So Milograd took a stand. He kicked out a few of the current governmental members and explained to the region that he was tired of the current Influence system, thus sparking debate that may actually lead to real change (finally)! Most people ignore that aspect, and view him merely as a dictator who is impinging on the sovereignty of The South Pacific. It is an obvious conclusion to be drawn if one is unaware of the greater aspects at play. Milograd is not stupid. His regional Influence is such that he could never hope to hold the region for an extended period of time. If that was what he wanted, he could have remained as the legal delegate through the current system and built up Influence over time. We are not asking you to support or condemn Milograd, but we felt that our members should be aware of the situation so as to draw their own conclusions. You may feel free to move to The South Pacific and partake in the squabble on whichever side you wish, but you are also free to remain here. Gateville's official position on this matter is neutrality. Our beloved Queen Nevadar, however, is not the sort of gal to let such a chance slip through her fingers as you well know. She moved personally to support Milograd in his quest, as did Regional BAMF Schleimels. One of our allies in The Sovereign Confederation disagreed with that decision and jumped to the conclusion that Gatesville was supporting Milograd. Amidst personal insults against our queen, the government of Osiris issued threats stating that if Gatesville did not remove its troops immediately they would take military action. They attempted to tell us what we could and could not do. THEY ATTEMPTED TO IMPINGE ON THE SOVEREIGNTY OF GATESVILLE ITSELF. This we will not stand for. Nevadar gave them until major update tonight to issue a formal apology or be declared an Enemy Of Gatesville. This afternoon, an official apology from the Madjack, Pharoah of Osiris, was issued to Gatesville and accepted by the High Council. While relations are still strained, Osiris is no longer declared to an Enemy and we will not be taking direct military action against them at this time. If you have any further questions, you are welcome to discuss this matter on our regional forum. In summary, Gatesville is remaining neutral on this issue and recognises the arguments to be made on both sides of this conflict. Following the distribution of the message, there are (at present) only 4 WA nations with Gatesville connections in The South Pacific. 

[Awesomiasa]

You do realize that 'Legitimate Government' means the Forum Government and Cabinet-In-Exile.... right? O_o

 
That was based on IRC discussions before an official statement was published. I apologize for any discrepancies and inaccuracies found in the reports. 

[Awesomiasa]

4:18PM
 
At the time of writing, votes for the recall motion are 28 AYE-2 NAY (93.3% AYE)The threshold for a recall motion to pass is 80%
 
Voting closes 14:40 PM Thursday 25/04/13 (BST)

[Rebel-topia]

Over the last 5 hours, his influence has dropped from 43 to 21!!

[HEM]

Why is the voting period on the recall motion so long? It's not like this is a contentious issue..

[God-Emperor]

I dunno.  Somethin' to be reviewed after things have settled down.