09-14-2003, 05:42 AM
This has become a Harkinnen/FS merged thread but that's okay. I haven't seen anything confirming a connection, but who knows.Okay this information that I am about to post is highly sensitive. It is taken directly from Hark's board. I even took screenshots on this one. It does not involve our region, however it is a definite threat to Norion in the West Pacific. This information pretty much gives Norion a valid reason to boot Hark from the region. The post: Everything below this is from Harkinnen. The telegram that is supposedly from Norion is a fake (unless I have horribly, horribly misjudged Norion, and I don't want to think about that). It looks like Hark is lying about Norion to get people to remove their endorsements, although on his forum he alludes to it but stops short of saying "I am lying." My comments continue after the 2nd dotted line.---------------------"All nations not currently involved in an operation outside the West Pacific are instructed to move there as soon as possible and endorse Harkinnen. Further orders will be given soon. I have 125 endorsements as of now and I will be speeding up the endorsement solicitation.Nations are NOT, I repeat, NOT to ask nations to endorse me. If anyone wants to help more than endorsing my nation Harkinnen, please send mass telegrams politely asking nations to unendorse Norion. If you choose to do this, do not mention me. If you do, and anyone reports the telegram to Norion, the operation will be compromised and I will be very unhappy because we will have to start over in the North Pacific.If you choose to send these telegrams, also do not send them from our "World Unification Front" region. A good idea would be to send them from the West Pacific, or better yet, the Pacific, or Atlantic regions. We don't need attention right now.Use this telegram
ear (insert nation),I notice that you have endorsed Norion. I ask that you withdraw your endorsement from this dictator. He may not be openly against democracy, but I have recieved information from a reliable source that says he intends to clamp down on the region as soon as possible. Just look at this telegram, names have been deleted to protect our informant:The Republic of NorionReceived: 19 minutes ago*********, we need to take full control of the region soon. After seeing what Francos Spain has done in the Pacific, I think we can do something similar here. But first we will get the people here used to the idea of censorship. I will start by clearing the boards when someone advertises and move on from there. But we need to be careful, *********, until the time is right. The rest of the West Pacific government already knows, but if the public finds out, we could be in some serious trouble. So keep your mouth shut. If I find out that you have told anyone about this, I'll eject you and you will never come back as long as I rule here. Remember that, *********. Know your place, and who is in charge here, and you will be fine.NorionAs you can see, Norion is clearly planning a takeover here. He is already delegate, so we must act quickly. Don't tell Norion or his henchmen about this telegram, it could get you ejected. Just withdraw your endorsement please, and ask your friends to do the same. Norion only wants to crush the good people of this region under his tyrannical rule. Please help us now, before its too late.Good, huh? I know this is pretty underhanded and shady, but until we are stronger we need to use these techniques. The Pacific Army uses the same tactics against Francos Spain, so we can use them against Norion. Just remember, take all necessary precautions not to arouse suspicion of the World Unification Front. Create a new nation if you have to. Thanks for your help, I couldn't do this without you. "-----------------------------------The question is, what do we do? Obviously Norion needs to know. The problem is if this information is public, Hark will know there are spies. I would prefer not to compromise my sources within his organization. LR, you know Norion better than I do, I would like your input here. We'd need Norion to keep this information confidential until the time is right. I would also like notification before it is used, so that I can be prepared to deal with the aftermath.There is a side option here. We could report him to the mods. According to the terms and conditions of the site: "You may not use a false e-mail address, impersonate any person or entity, attempt to "hack" the site or another player's account, nor otherwise mislead as to the origin of information"Would this fall into impersonation or misleading as to the origin of information? A false telegram from Norion seems like impersonation to me, and he is misleading people to make them think those are Norion's words. What do you guys think? I would love to see him banned from the game. Can we trust the mods? Would they take offsite information into account? I have a request, if there is anyone that has a free UN nation? Go to the West Pac, and endorse Norion. Hopefully you will get this telegram. Otherwise we would need to find a West Pacific nation who has gotten it. Without this, the mods would be less likely to pay attention. We should tell Norion ASAP... LR, do you mind doing this? If you want me to, I can tell him. Perhaps he can get some help from West Pacific nations regarding the telegram and Hark can be reported. As long as Norion can keep things quiet, which I am sure he can.He is attempting to take the West Pacific from Norion, but we won't let him get away with it.
ear (insert nation),I notice that you have endorsed Norion. I ask that you withdraw your endorsement from this dictator. He may not be openly against democracy, but I have recieved information from a reliable source that says he intends to clamp down on the region as soon as possible. Just look at this telegram, names have been deleted to protect our informant:The Republic of NorionReceived: 19 minutes ago*********, we need to take full control of the region soon. After seeing what Francos Spain has done in the Pacific, I think we can do something similar here. But first we will get the people here used to the idea of censorship. I will start by clearing the boards when someone advertises and move on from there. But we need to be careful, *********, until the time is right. The rest of the West Pacific government already knows, but if the public finds out, we could be in some serious trouble. So keep your mouth shut. If I find out that you have told anyone about this, I'll eject you and you will never come back as long as I rule here. Remember that, *********. Know your place, and who is in charge here, and you will be fine.NorionAs you can see, Norion is clearly planning a takeover here. He is already delegate, so we must act quickly. Don't tell Norion or his henchmen about this telegram, it could get you ejected. Just withdraw your endorsement please, and ask your friends to do the same. Norion only wants to crush the good people of this region under his tyrannical rule. Please help us now, before its too late.Good, huh? I know this is pretty underhanded and shady, but until we are stronger we need to use these techniques. The Pacific Army uses the same tactics against Francos Spain, so we can use them against Norion. Just remember, take all necessary precautions not to arouse suspicion of the World Unification Front. Create a new nation if you have to. Thanks for your help, I couldn't do this without you. "-----------------------------------The question is, what do we do? Obviously Norion needs to know. The problem is if this information is public, Hark will know there are spies. I would prefer not to compromise my sources within his organization. LR, you know Norion better than I do, I would like your input here. We'd need Norion to keep this information confidential until the time is right. I would also like notification before it is used, so that I can be prepared to deal with the aftermath.There is a side option here. We could report him to the mods. According to the terms and conditions of the site: "You may not use a false e-mail address, impersonate any person or entity, attempt to "hack" the site or another player's account, nor otherwise mislead as to the origin of information"Would this fall into impersonation or misleading as to the origin of information? A false telegram from Norion seems like impersonation to me, and he is misleading people to make them think those are Norion's words. What do you guys think? I would love to see him banned from the game. Can we trust the mods? Would they take offsite information into account? I have a request, if there is anyone that has a free UN nation? Go to the West Pac, and endorse Norion. Hopefully you will get this telegram. Otherwise we would need to find a West Pacific nation who has gotten it. Without this, the mods would be less likely to pay attention. We should tell Norion ASAP... LR, do you mind doing this? If you want me to, I can tell him. Perhaps he can get some help from West Pacific nations regarding the telegram and Hark can be reported. As long as Norion can keep things quiet, which I am sure he can.He is attempting to take the West Pacific from Norion, but we won't let him get away with it.