TNI-Osiris

[Belschaft]

Those of you who haven't noticed, UIAF (TNI-LKE) has deployed to Osiris and endorsed GV.

 

Logs of me trying to get details from HEM;

 

[21:37] <Bel> You busy?
[21:38] <NES> Nope
[21:38] <NES> Well
[21:38] <NES> Sorta, carryon
[21:38] <Bel> I happen to notice UIAF appears to be in Osiris
[21:39] <NES> Oh yeah
[21:39] <NES> Are you TSP senior?
[21:39] <NES> Tell your TSP people to erm, not do anything drastic.
[21:39] <NES> Cause then we'll have to undo it at the end and stuff.
[21:39] <Bel> Senior online, and TSP-Osiris liaison
[21:39] <NES> Obviously I cant say anymore or it could compromise the operation.
[21:39] <NES> No one in Osiris has permission to tell you, theoritically.
[21:40] <Bel> UIAF is doing a false flag operation you just 'didn't tell me about'?
[21:41] <Bel> I need more details than that, this is exceedingly problematic
[21:41] <NES> False flag?
[21:41] <NES> No they are real flags.
[21:41] <Bel> 'Obviously I cant say anymore or it could compromise the operation.'
[21:41] <NES> Okay, here's a simple way of doing it.
[21:41] <NES> What I need from you is, you wont tell anyone in TSP anything?
[21:42] <NES> If you cant do that, then you'll have to break the Treaty and we can make it back later.
[21:42] <NES> Osiris' interests come 1st.
[21:42] <NES> In the current situation.
[21:42] <Bel> Then I assume Biyah has the details of your operation?
[21:42] <NES> No
[21:42] <NES> He does not.
[21:42] <Bel> Does anyone in Osiris?
[21:43] <NES> Obviously yes
[21:43] <Bel> Who, if not their military commander?
[21:44] <NES> Can you send HEM to speak to me?
[21:44] <NES> Before doing anything.
[21:44] <Bel> HEM is not involved with the Osiris command structure
[21:44] <NES> Wait, this is coming from Osiris not TSP?
[21:44] <Bel> I am both TSP's liason there and the only cabinet member online
[21:45] <NES> Is this TSP or Osiris?
[21:45] <Bel> This is TSP
[21:45] <NES> Right, okay
[21:45] <NES> Well, send HEM or SB then.
[21:45] <Bel> I am TSP's liaison to the Osirian high command
[21:45] <NES> Well send me TSP's liason to TNI then
[21:45] <Bel> At this point in time I think it's fair for me to conclude that your intent in Osiris is hostile, yes?
[21:46] <Bel> Does that seem reasonable to you?
[21:46] <NES> I cant answer that question, and no its not a fair conclusion.
[21:46] <NES> Before you cut relations with TNI.
[21:46] <NES> I advise you to send your Delegate or VD, to speak with me.
[21:47] <NES> Or, their order that you are to be witness on their behalf.
[21:47] <Bel> In just over a day TSP-TNI relations will be automatically severed by Article 2.3 of our declaration of war against Gatesville
[21:47] <NES> Can you repeat that for me?
[21:48] <Bel> As stated previously, I am the only TSP cabinet member online, the liaison to Osiris' high command, and there is a time limit
[21:49] <Bel> Article 2.3 of TSP's declaration of war (which will pass in just over 34 hours) suspends all relations with any group supporting GV
[21:49] <Bel> *24 hours
[21:49] <Bel> Hence why there is a time limit here
[21:49] <NES> Can I see the exact wording?
[21:49] <Bel> 'Any region or organization in which is found to be giving aid to Nevadar and/or Gatesville shall have any and all relations with South Pacific suspended until all aid is severed.'
[21:50] <NES> Thats fine.
[21:50] <NES> Do not repeal the Treaty though
[21:50] <NES> Just suspend relations for the duration of the operation.
[21:50] <NES> We will review the Treaty post-operation.
[21:50] <NES> Thats all TNI asks of TSP.
[21:50] <NES> If it wants to sever relations then, then fine. But it won't, because all will be explained.
[21:50] <Bel> The treaty would be automatically suspended, whether or not that counts as repealed I'm not sure
[21:51] <Bel> I suggest you explain it now
[21:51] <NES> Yes, suspended temporarily.
[21:51] <NES> If we have to remake the Treaty then so be it.
[21:51] <NES> But, I imagine unless you specifically repeal it, then it comes back into effect because Clause 2.3 refers only to "suspended until all aid is severed"
[21:52] <Bel> Either TNI is actively engaged in an invasion of Osiris, in which case the treaty can be assumed dead and buried, or you are not and have some strange master plan in which case you should have talked with Osiris' military command
[21:52] <Bel> So, to clarify when I report back to cabinet;
[21:53] <NES> Im interested in TSP not Osiris.
[21:53] <Bel> TNI is fully involved in the UIAF deployment - it is not just LKE - and this is a genuine invasion?
[21:53] <Bel> Osiris is the relevant issue here
[21:53] <NES> My advice to TSP is that a suspension of the Treaty whilst aide is occurring is inevitable under 2.3
[21:53] <Bel> You cannot possibly participate in an invasion of Osiris and maintain good relations with TSP
[21:54] <NES> As for your role in the Osiris Military Command, I cannot comment on that.
[21:54] <NES> I'm speaking to you in terms of TSP
[21:54] <Bel> I have no role in Osiris' military command
[21:54] <Bel> I am simple the one talking to them from TSP
[21:55] <NES> Oh.
[21:55] <NES> Well I'm not worried what you say to Osiris.
[21:55] <Bel> Now, is TNI, as a TSP ally, willing to clarify your actions in Osiris?
[21:55] <Bel> One ally to another?
[21:55] <NES> What you say to TSP is that "a suspension of the Treaty whilst aide is occurring is inevitable under 2.3" but I would advise before repealing the Treaty the Del or VD comes to speak to me.
[21:55] <Bel> That is not an answer to my question
[21:56] <NES> Unfortunately if I did that it could compromise the operation which as one ally to another is not in our collective interests.
[21:56] <NES> I am though willing to speak with the VD or Delegate.
[21:56] <NES> To advise on why the Treaty should not be repealed.
[21:56] <Bel> I should note that you will not find SB any less dedicated to Osiris than myself on this matter
[21:56] <NES> Thats fine.
[21:56] <NES> Just take my message
[21:57] <NES> "A suspension of the Treaty whilst aide is occurring is inevitable under 2.3 of your Declaration, but I would advise before specifically repealing the Treaty the Del or VD comes to speak to me."
[21:58] <Bel> I'm not a messenger. I'm the TSP official dealing with the Osiris situation, and your answer is 'send me a raider to talk to' in effect.
[21:58] <NES> If you dont trust your own Delegate.
[21:58] <NES> Then thats just silly.
[21:58] <Bel> I trust SB entirely
[21:58] <NES> Well fine.
[21:58] <NES> Take my message then.
[21:59] <Bel> It appears that you don't trust me, presumably because you believe I will hand over anything you say to Osiris
[21:59] <Bel> Which is absurd; I'd only do that if TSP's cabinet decided to, as would SB
[21:59] <NES> Im finding it very difficult to talk to someone who is acting in the capacity of a member of the Osiris Military Council.
[22:00] <NES> And this talk of SB/HEM being raiders is utter tosh.
[22:00] <Bel> I am not a member of Osiris' Military Council
[22:00] <NES> Are you a citizen in Osiris?
[22:00] <Bel> I have access/know who are it's members and am liaising with them for TSP
[22:01] <Bel> Yes, for the last two days
[22:01] <NES> Well, this isn't an Osiris-TSP conversation
[22:01] <Bel> I needed a better masking to do my job
[22:01] <NES> Its a TSP-TNI conversation
[22:01] <Bel> This is a TSP-TNI conversation about Osiris
[22:01] <NES> If you want Osiris' view, ask Osiris.
[22:02] <Bel> I have Osiris's view,  I need TNI's view
[22:02] <NES> And I've given it to you.
[22:02] <Bel> In fact, what I need right now is simple clarification of her intent
[22:02] <NES> "A suspension of the Treaty whilst aide is occurring is inevitable under 2.3 of your Declaration, but I would advise before specifically repealing the Treaty the Del or VD comes to speak to me. Assumption is the mothe rof."
[22:02] <Bel> No, you have refused it
[22:03] <NES> Refused what?
[22:03] <Bel> You have refused to clarify TNI's stance actions in Osiris
[22:03] <NES> Because I can only do that in absolute confidence.
[22:03] <NES> Absolute 100% confidence.
[22:04] <Bel> Anything you say in this conversation will be relayed to TSP's full cabinet, what it decides to do with it is not up to me
[22:04] <Bel> That would be the same if you were talking to HEM or SB
[22:04] <NES> Thats why I want to speak solely with the Del or VD.
[22:04] <NES> What they choose to relay and to whom will be up to them and I'll discuss that with them beforehand.
[22:05] <Bel> That is not possible. TSP functions in a cabinet system, and decisions are made by the full cabinet.
[22:05] <NES> That'll be something I discuss with them.
[22:05] <Bel> At present you are refusing to do so much as clarify your intent to an allied official
[22:06] <NES> I've specified what I would like to do, which is talk with your Delegate or VD further on the matter.
[22:06] <NES> And that I fully understand that TSP will have to suspend the Treaty whilst aid is occurring.
[22:06] <NES> But I do not believe going any further than that is warranted or neccessary.
[22:07] <Bel> Neither of those officials is available, and as I have stated time is an issue
[22:07] <NES> I've already accepted the 24 hours thing.
[22:08] <Bel> Regardless, the fact that you are unwilling to disclose intent - no operational details, just intent - to the senior allied official available, and the one handling the issue in question - Osiris - is not comforting
[22:08] <NES> Can you give me absolute confidence.
[22:09] <NES> That you will relay the "intent"
[22:09] <NES> To no one other than the TSP Cabinet
[22:09] <Bel> Yes
[22:09] <Bel> The same as SB would
[22:09] <NES> The intent is to aid Osiris.
[22:10] <Bel> That is not very helpful, as both sides claim that is their objective.
[22:11] <NES> Thats the intent, thats what you asked for.
[22:11] <NES> Thats what you can give your Cabinet.
[22:11] <Bel> You are being deliberately evasive
[22:11] <NES> I'd like to be more helpful.
[22:11] <NES> But our *intent*
[22:11] <NES> Might be compromised if I was.
[22:11] <NES> Take that to your Cabinet
[22:11] <NES> Thank you for your time
[22:12] <Bel> That is only possible if your intent is to aid Gatesville, which I must assume it is based on this conversation
[22:12] <Bel> Good day
[22:12] <NES> You'd assume wrongly.
[22:12] <NES> G;day
[22:12] <Bel> You refuse to give me any reason to believe otherwise

[Southern Bellz]

I have talked to TNI about this on a condition of secrecy.

 

I can say that I believe TNI to ultimately be aiding Osi based on what I was told, and I am getting an independent confirmation from Cormac to be sure that he is in the loop with TNI.

 

TSP will support the elected Pharaoh in this matter.  I trust our allies at TNI and I don't believe they are trying to dupe me, but it will be clear if they are or not as time passes.

[Southern Bellz]

Cormac confirmed, which is good news.

 

TSP should basically keep doing what we are doing to help Osi.

[Belschaft]

Any more details you can share?

[Southern Bellz]

Yes that the other people in the know (to my knowledge a very small pool of people) signed an agreement to not disclose anything.

 

Cormac describe it as  "our best chance of winning this war".  I agree, but not even my limited details can leave this office.  Secrecy is required for this to work.