UDL - TNP

[Milograd]

Let me read it over quickly.

[Antariel]

Support the measures taken here. Plus my inability to read the site until today has meant it *wasn't* the most anti-UDL member of the Cabinet who pushed this!

[Belschaft]

The statement was drafted by two founding members of the UDL and the UDL Head of Feeder and Sinker Affairs

[HEM]

I am also happy with how this was resolved!

[Antariel]

Awkard for Uni, no doubt. How is the UDL reacting to this? Turtle like defence, or are members actually upset?

[Hileville]

I will note I submitted my resignation after my initial draft post.

[Brutland and Norden]

The statement was drafted by two founding members of the UDL and the UDL Head of Feeder and Sinker Affairs

 
So what's the status of the three of you in the UDL?

[Milograd]

I am no longer a member.

[Belschaft]

I am no longer a member and on very bad terms (currently banned from #udl, removed from the UDL Hall of Honour last time I checked) with them.

[Hileville]

I am no longer a member either.  And Bel is still removed from the Hall of Honor (Honour) same difference.

[Antariel]

What did they remove you from the Hall for?
 
Also; Uni is contacting our newbies, sent Awe a message asking to speak to him. We're aiming to acquire logs of any discussion.

[Antariel]

So for reasons best known to himself (which I presume to be he thinks I might get delegate next term and he wants me to stop slating him as an incompetent busybody), Uni condescended to give me the UDL version of events;
 
Just FYI; I wasn't even on before the Cabinet put out the statement about the UDL, so please don't think of it as something I pushed; I missed the entire issue. [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]No worries. [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]I think it was a Hileville/Bel/Milo thing. [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]What happened? I've only heard the non-UDL side so far. [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Well we were on way to free Warhammer 40000 [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]It was invaded [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]We had men sitting in the region that the raider couldn't kick due to lack of influence [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]Right... [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]And Blue Wolf (Delegate of TNP / Head of LWU) ordered all of the NPAers who were in Warhammer 40000 to endorse the delegate or leave. [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]He was throwing support behind The Black Hawks for no reason [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]"Because they were an embassied region" [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]UDL was embassied too <img src='http://widget00.mibbit.com/smileys/modern/icon_razz.gif' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /> [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]Right [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]So anyways, one of the NPAers switched and endorsed the raider del [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]And Ravania said fuck that. [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]And got mad and posted the thread with BW's orders in our command centre [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Wasn't much of a thread, just had BW's orders on it and Mcmasterdonia bitching about it. [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]The officers who read it didn't think much of it [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]I think Ravania had every intention of leaving NPA at that point [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]He wasn't going to be ordered around to invade regions that hadn't done anything to TNP [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]So far so not-causing-a-major-incident.... [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Elu saw that Ravania posted the orders thread [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]And reported it to Blue Wolf [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Blue Wolf made a huge stink, UDL was accused of Episnoge (sp) [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Um, so we punished accordingly. [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]And then every came back to claim we weren't punishing enough [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]punished? [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]Oh right. [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Suspensions [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]As it is UDL ran for a week with almost no senior officers [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Like.. we've been an anarchy for a week due to these suspensions [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]But TNP and TSP wanted more [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]We couldn't free Warhammer 40000 because we've been so decentralized, we haven't be able to organize a big lib. [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]But presumably not everyone in the UDL supported the action [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]That's basically it [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]in that everyone in TSP seems to have quit? [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Hileville didn't think it was severe enough [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Bel was basically trying to fuck over our FA [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]And admittedly that later [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]FA? [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]We had already removed Milograd quietly [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]foreign affairs? [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Foriegn Affairs [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]What did you remove milo for? :S [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Um, no he resigned [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]But like before this incident [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]Ah, k. [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]About a week before [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Um, essentially Milo and UDl weren't getting along [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]He kept trying to run operations like he was a second in command again [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]And it was bothering the actual officers [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Esp. because Milo isn't exactly.. knowledgeable [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]ABout how to actually run update [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]He means well [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]But then he'd criticize the other lts for barking at him and say "its not like the old days" and stuff [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]And it was driving everyone bonkers [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]And I was tired of keeping the peace. [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]Fair enough <img src='http://widget00.mibbit.com/smileys/modern/icon_razz.gif' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /> [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]Staying out of R/D means I tend to miss out on all this... [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]I honestly wouldn't doubt if TSP's tough response was a product of Milo wanting to get back at UDL [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]And Hile and Bel wanting to help out Milo get blood [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]*scans the BCD thread* [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]No [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Do not tell me shit all [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]I don't want to hear anything private [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]I'm already demoted <img src='http://widget00.mibbit.com/smileys/modern/icon_razz.gif' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /> [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]<img src='http://widget00.mibbit.com/smileys/modern/icon_razz.gif' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /> [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]I didn't say I was going to tell *you* [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]anything, just that I'm reading the TSP version too

[Milograd]

lol
 
I can't blame myself for not performing at my best in such a dysfunctional organization.

[Antariel]

Part 2, in which Uni bitches about running the UDL, and accuses TSP of trying to 'control' the UDL during the Warzone incident. Glorious.
 
 
 
[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]The joys of running an org where members are also in regional militaries, I guess.
[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Joys? [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Hah [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Try running a defender org where its members are in regions that incrementally swing between defenderism and raiderism over night [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]And you never know if you're going to hear from the nice TNP or the evil TNP <img src='http://widget00.mibbit.com/smileys/modern/icon_razz.gif' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /> [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]<img src='http://widget00.mibbit.com/smileys/modern/icon_razz.gif' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /> That's why I don't think orgs work. [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]One second we're an ally, the next second we're nothing, then we're disgraced allies... [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]With a region-based group, you have control [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]Once you start sticking your fingers into regions [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]and then disagreeing with a region's decision [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]you are on boggy ground, and sinking fast [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]I didn't do shit, Ant <img src='http://widget00.mibbit.com/smileys/modern/icon_razz.gif' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /> [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]A member of my org disagreed with the orders [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]By 'you' I mean the UDL as a whole. [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]It's an issue that's come up before [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]Warzone Australia <img src='http://widget00.mibbit.com/smileys/modern/icon_razz.gif' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /> [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Yes, but not even the UDL disagreed officially [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Just Ravania was a NPAer and a UDLer and he didn't like the NPA orders [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]I guess after too many incidents, people stop caring that the UDL leadership might agree [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]and just go [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]'Oh, the UDL have done it again' [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Our incidents are pathetic [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]Warzone Australia <img src='http://widget00.mibbit.com/smileys/modern/icon_razz.gif' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /> [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Warzones? PDFs of nothing important being "leaked" by angry former employees? Voters .. OMIGOD voting.. legally?? [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]>_< [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]And then there's the classic TSP-TNP response: "Your apology feels insincere" [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]That would be because we striked a warzone... [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]If more than one region thinks its insincere [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]Maybe the issue is the tone of UDL communications? [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]... and I voted in a vote.. on my own accord.. completely legally. [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]No Ant [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]<img src='http://widget00.mibbit.com/smileys/modern/icon_razz.gif' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /> I haven't read your comm to know. [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]The issue is that these incidents are designed to try to get TNP and TSP to have power over us [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]You think we want to control the UDL?? [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]They bitch about something really at end of the day, not important. [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Then ask for an apology [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]And severe punishments [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]If I ran UDL Communications, our statements would have been a lot stricter to TNP and TSP [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]If it wasn't important, you shouldn't have invaded our Warzone? <img src='http://widget00.mibbit.com/smileys/modern/icon_razz.gif' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /> [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]But there are others on UDl's staff who felt UDL had done wrong. [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Everyone always thinks I'm the only important voic in the UDL [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]Because you tend o be the only one talking <img src='http://widget00.mibbit.com/smileys/modern/icon_razz.gif' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' />

[Antariel]

And finally, part 3, in which we get Uni's take on why he left the region;
[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]But really I have very little sway over communications -- generally I'm not trusted in that department because I would have told TSP to review its lawbooks and change their own dahm laws if they had a problem with a citizen voting in a vote because of his personal beliefs and lobbying others to do the same. If they didn't want to be a democracy with a full range of democratic freedoms that [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]shouldn't have been a concern of the UDL. [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Instead the UDL staff twisted my hand and told me I needed to apologize for.. doing my legal duty to vote in TSP responsibility. >_< [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]I told Milograd, I'd only take the heat for it and get thrown under the bus because it might salvage UDL-TSP relations and that's what they wanted. [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]*responsibily [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]So I got accused of treason and whatever I was accused of [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]That was really a load of fun. Not. [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]And then turned up again, only to advocate we all go defender <img src='http://widget00.mibbit.com/smileys/modern/icon_razz.gif' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /> Not the best attempt for a quiet return, to be honest. [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]It wasn't a return [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Bel just told me to speak [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]And I knew my talking points well [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]So I spoke

[Antariel]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Anyways, this incidents happens and what do they want to do? Throw Ravania under the peverbal bus. I didn't like that one bit. I guess he did break the law in TNP as opposed to me, but him losing his position in UDL doesn't even make sense to me.. surely it should be the job of TNP to punish him not UDL. Since when did UDL become TNP's judiciary. The whole thing stunk politically for me, I [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]didn't like that a good defender like Rav got caught up in Blue Wolf's storm of political rubbish. [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]There was no reason for BW to call NPA like that [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]He was just selling the region out to The Black Hawks [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]But if BW chose to [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]it's his right as delegate to pick a side [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]for his own army [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Doesn't mean Ravania has to respect that [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Ravania had every intention to leave probably [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]But then its fair enough to punish Rav [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]or ask UDL to [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]if the UDL didn't act [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]You have to bear in mind there was a vote to change TNP's direction back [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]then surely the TNP view would be that UDL can't be trusted to be involved in any op./ [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Rav was probably waiting to see if the vote would go his way before resigning

[Milograd]

This is exactly why we aren't allies or on speaking terms with the UDL anymore. Unibot is clearly two-faced about his intentions and statements, and he blatantly admitted that he doesn't see espionage, Airspace, or the subversion of our democracy as "important." It's typical.
 
I suppose that he doesn't consider the sovereignty of feeders as important as the sovereignty of the nativeless puppet dumps that he defends. Oh well.

[Antariel]

Part 5, in which I get bored, screw with Uni, and leave
 
[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Rav was probably waiting to see if the vote would go his way before resigning [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]I dunno, he didn't say why he was kept membership [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]Hmmm. [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]Maybe find out <img src='http://widget00.mibbit.com/smileys/modern/icon_razz.gif' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /> [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]Argh, got to go [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]TNP not trusting UDL doesn't make much sense unless TNP continued to be an invader army [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]stupidly early start tomrrow [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]5.30am, here I come <img src='http://widget00.mibbit.com/smileys/modern/icon_sad.gif' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /> [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]If TNP became an invader army then yeah [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]NOT because I'm goign to be on at update, ofc. [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]I can tell you TNP couldn't trust us. [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]<img src='http://widget00.mibbit.com/smileys/modern/icon_razz.gif' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /> [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]We're TOTALLY not planning any military action [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]ESPECIALLY not something that might upset you [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]Please tell me you haven't been invited to join in on TWP [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(0,136,0);"]<Unibot>: [/font]>_< [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]I HAVE SAID TOO MUCH [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]Or maybe I'm just screwing with you <img src='http://widget00.mibbit.com/smileys/modern/icon_razz.gif' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /> [font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,68,34);"]<Antariel>: [/font]G'night

[Belschaft]

Heh. Can't go into to details but Uni is misrepresenting both the extent of and use of NPA information on his part.

[Antariel]

This is exactly why we aren't allies or on speaking terms with the UDL anymore. Unibot is clearly two-faced about his intentions and statements, and he blatantly admitted that he doesn't see espionage, Airspace, or the subversion of our democracy as "important." It's typical.
 
I suppose that he doesn't consider the sovereignty of feeders as important as the sovereignty of the nativeless puppet dumps that he defends. Oh well.

 
Please, please Carta, don't make such accusations! He doesn't consider 'Episnoge (sp)' important

[Antariel]

If Uni asks, we TOTALLY DON'T have an op planned. Use CAPS so he KNOWS

[Hileville]

Why the hell is Uni sending recruitment tg's to our newbies?

[Belschaft]

Spite?

[Milograd]

He needs additional slaves soldiers.

[Belschaft]

So, I propose that we (as previously planned) reopen diplomatic relations with UDL now that they have a new CoB.